unions. not about collective bargaining. this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't people have the opportunity to say they want to belong or not? >> michigan could soon be a right-to-work state. will others follow? joining us now is uaw member and spokesman for the michigan freedom-to-work coalition brian penebaker. you are a line worker right now, correct? >> that's right i'm assembly worker at the sterling axle plant in sterling heights. >> tell us what your reaction is to governor snyder's willingness, desire and push to make michigan a right-to-work state? >> well, what he said is exactly true. up until now, workers in michigan, if you hire in at a shop that has union representation, you were forced to become a member of the union. but about 35 or 40% of the workers are conservatives that vote republican and they don't agree with all the union's political activities so we have always wanted our ability to not join the union and not be forced to pay dues. and now we are going